The anti-war message: how do the Soldiers feel?
Well, I think that after all my own ranting and raving over anti-war protesters, it is high time I get you the real, genuine feelings of a true soldier and how he feels about the message that the anti-war crowd sends. Unlike any other soldier’s response in a liberal magazine, his words are not fluffed up or edited; this is what Milblogger MDG truly feels when people disregard his service in Iraq… these are his words;
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The MDG Answer to the Anti-War Crowd
To all those who are against this war, for whatever reason, I would like to say to you: Don't patronize me. All you who say "I support the troops, but not the war." are being very hypocritical. It makes no sense at all. You can't mix oil and water. In order to support the troops, you have to support the mission they are executing. Simply not possible.
For those whose vitriolic and malignant opinions, boisterously shouted at veterans, military members and supporters of the cause, remember that the freedom you abuse was paid for by the blood of men and women who, in all reality, were and/or are BETTER people than you. Yep, I said it. Some of you are morally bankrupt individuals, who spew bitter anti-war, anti-Bush, anti-establishment bile, and wallow in your self-righteous arrogance that somehow you are better than the people who give you the freedom to speak.
I would also say that the more extreme anti-war crowd is participating in seditious acts. Sedition is defined under United States Code, Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 115, Section 2388, as;
Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully makes or conveys false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States or to promote the success of its enemies; or
Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or willfully obstructs the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, to the injury of the service or the United States, or attempts to do so-
The Code Pink protests, Fred Phelps and his ilk, and everyone else who seeks to demean and distress the American Fighting Man, in my eyes, is guilty of sedition. Others, who give open, frank, and civil and based argument are not, in my opinion, seditious. Dissent, within bounds of law, is actually encouraged in our system, because without dissent, what happens to choice?? To freedom??
People who carry signs and shout slogans such as "You were maimed for a lie" Are maliciously seditious. Their aim is to break the morale of the Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, and Coast Guardsmen who have sweated, toiled and bled for them.
If you want to abuse the freedoms I have fought for, then be prepared to reap the consequences. Don't you dare hide behind the first amendment, squealing about how it is your 'right' to insult warriors and aid the enemy through word. The pen is mightier than the sword in some cases, and you further the agenda of the human scum who would like nothing better to blast you into chunks of human gore, sever your head from your body, or burn you alive.
As others have said before me, such as John Stuart Mill, those who do not believe in the cause of freedom are loathsome creatures. If you don't appreciate the freedoms you have been gifted, leave. Go somewhere else. The squandering of freedom is a vile crime, a crime against yourselves principally, and a slap in the face to the people who believe in its worth. You are stealing my blood with your lies. Go back to your dark holes and brood, for you are evil men, as evil as the ones we fight.
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Thank you MDG for speaking out. Anyone care to challenge his words? You who do not serve in our military would be brave to do so.
God bless our troops; may they be victorious in all they fight for.
Jennifer
31 comments:
Jennifer, as a Viet Nam Vet, I concur with MGD. Even today I wonder why all of the "Peace Protesters" of my era hated ME so much. It still hurts to know that there was no respect at all for those of us that went there. Even today when someone gets it out of me that I was actually in Viet Nam, I wait for the loathing comments from them.
YES! THANK YOU! those soldiers are fighting for something they believe in! Something that we all ought to believe in and that is freedom. leaving Iraq will only bring the war here where countless civillians will be killed by terrorists who do not regard human life as anything worth preserving. Our soldiers have a job to do and we ought to support them.
Excatly Anonoymous! It is kind of scary to think if the soilders lost the war, which they won't or they pulled all of the soilders out then you are totally right they will come here and do the same thing they did on 9-11!!
I would like to first thank Don for his service to our country. 'Nam Vets more than others have endured so much pure HATE that it is sickening. God Bless.
I am honored to have a great-grandfather who fought in WWII, a Dad who was in the infantry for 4 years, as well as many other family members and friends' parents who have served in the armed forces. It is despicable when people say, 'I protest the war but support the troops'. NONSENSE! You either support the troops who put themsleves in danger so that we can be free AND their mission to ensure your freedom, or you can protest both. When CNN or NBC has the headline 'Troop Morale Falling', I guess they don't realize that they are the cause. I know this myself, having read e-mails from my Dad's buddy who's currently in Iraq. May God continue to bless the USA
Oh my, this MDG fellow is so blind and self-righteous. unfreaking believable. truly unbelievable.
so let me get this straight, i'mjust supposed to BLINDLY accept the LIES that this administration shoves down our throat and ignore the flaws and problems going on in Iraq, simply because its "america's war"?? Give me a break!??!
And do not discount my sentiments, my feelings when i have friends and family that have served honorably in this war and many wars past. I love and suppport these men very much, and not one of them would speak any differently.
OF COURSE I want America to succeed and the soldiers to succeed, but that DOES NOT CHANGE the fact that overall I disagree with the nation of American taking offensive movements against sovereign nations when there are other alternatives.
I support the troops, those that I know and love, and those that I have lost. And I know that the men fighting this war represent the very best of the United States of America.
George W. Bush is NOT the very best of the United States of America. He is an incompetent liar. I have every right to speak out against this man and i will continue to do so. But to say that this affects what I feel and believe about the men in uniform is simply ridiculous.
Your MDG article that you posted was interesting, yet carried little weight. It was not authoritative. It was very emotional and in many cases, is making exactly the same mistake than many "anti-war" protestors are making. It is now very clear to me that both sides of the issue seem very bent on venting their emotions rather than reasoning rationally.
You might ask why I say that?
Firstly, in discussing whether war is "right" or "wrong" we need to remember that we are talking about ethics...and the only valid ethical standard is the Bible. So please tell me where the Biblical evidence is to support either side of the issue! Freedom is not an ideal that America invented. Scripture talks about it over and over, and it plainly declares that "where the Spirit of the Lord is, there Liberty is also." 2 Cor. 3:17 (John 8:32, Romans 6:18, 8:2, 8:21, Galations 5:1 etc., etc.,)
The truth of the matter is, true liberty can only be found in God, and in the nations that obey God and follow His commandments.
Will Iraq ever be free?
The real question we ought to be asking ourselves is, will they ever be saved from their sin. True Liberty can only be found in the redemption of Christ.
Is America trying to defend this definition of Liberty? No! America has defined "liberty" as mere "democracy" and not as the freedom and peace that flows from the throne of God. America was founded on Biblical principles and definitions of Liberty, but has grossly strayed.
The same goes for "patriotism".
A true patriot does NOT support the Government no matter what. In fact, if you look at the REAL patriots down through American history, they were the ones spealing against the Government.
A true patriot is someone who supports God, Freedom, Country (in that order) and risks his life/peace/prosperity to defend those who defend God/Freedom (in that order).
If you want to be patriotic, do not blindly accept whatever the Government (and especially the millitary) does...a true patriot brings God's authoritative power to bear in the lives of those around them--even in persecution.
I think you should watch what you say about MDG Kelly. No one should blindly accept anything from anyone. You know, Bill Clinton was a lot worse then Bush will ever be. Why didn't Clinton get kicked out or picked on? Cman had some good points.
Jennifer--I completely agree that you cannot support the troops without supporting their mission. It just isn't possible. People generally disagree with me on that, but people like MGD just reaffirm my stand. Thank you for posting this!
I had lost the link to your blog, but I am glad I found it again. I enjoy you writings.
Bill Clinton never dragged hundreds of thousands of americans into a needless war. The American economy was at its strongest.
You say he was "worse" - in what way?
Did you realize the entire White House staff has lied about the outting of a CIA agent? Do you realize the damage done when a covert CIA operative is outted? Do you even understand the purpose of what they've done?
No one died because Bill Clinton had sex with Lewinsky. Remember that, in your safe haven of NEbraska.
CMAN...
You bring great points.
If you have read my blog, i believe that i have made most of my points rationally, tried to approach debate academically. I just left Iraq, not 12 hours ago, and I did get emotional while writing that.
But i felt that it was necessary to be a little harsh, to let my colors show, because sometimes raw emotion is the only way to convince people. I am human, and have seen tradegdy, loss, and have looked into the face of my enemy, seen the evil in his eyes, and killed him, and by God, not Bush or the UN, this is a righteous endeavor.
This is NOT a war for Oil, Halliburton, Bush's Legacy, but the fight against EVIL. Evil possesses our enemy, and we must destroy it. If you are against the war, fine, be against the war, but appreciate the job I do, and understand that is for YOU i fight. You may not like it, but you damn well better appreciate what we have given you.
Don,
Thank you so much for your service, also. I have much respect for all who have carried the torch of freedom before me.
SALUTE!!!
Jennifer: As a Korean war and Vietnam War veteran, I want to thank you for the support of our troops. President Bush had the support of congress when he made the decision to go into Iraq. Now for political reasons some of them are reversing their support, just as they did in the Vietnam war. In so doing they are aiding the terrorists.
Pray for the safety and success of all our troops.
NO SLACK
That was a really good post Jennifer- I definitely agree.
Jen...sorry about the D### in my previous comment. I didnt mean to be offensive, it just kinda slipped out. Please accept my apology.
Adam:
You must understand that freedom does not come from negotiation, it doesnt come from sanctions, it doesnt come from harsh words. These terrorists understand one thing...violence, and the just dispensing of violence to end evil is what you should be supporting the troops to do.
Now, some of you may say I am some blood-thirsty warmonger. No. But, my enemy wanted nothing more than to die for his cause, and try and take some of us 'infidels' with him. What other choice do we have??
Grunt:
In case you were wondering, I deleted your comment because of your swear word; I will not tolerate angry swearing that takes the Lord's name in vain.
MDG has every right to express his opinion on Iraq; he has been there, and has seen the worst... and yet, he still so strongly supports our cause in Iraq. Does that tell you something? MDG has spoken; and he was, I can assure you, wide awake when he wrote those words.
I don't understand how you can say that I can't support our troops without supporting the war they are in.
To illustrate, lets say my brother decides to jump off our roof onto a trampoline below and ends up getting hurt in the process. I'm still going to visit him in the hospital and try to chear him up, but I am NOT going to support his desicion.
I hope you can understand what I'm trying to say.
Poppy:
My point by this post was that the SOLDIERS do not feel supported by protesters. Think about it! My dad wants to start a business, let's say, and my mom loves and supports him as a person, but not his decision to start a business. How can he feel supported? It's not possible! He would be upset and depressed that she does not have faith in him and his mission. What worse message could there be to send to our troops? Personally, I think my illustration makes more sense.
Don, Wayne and any other veteran...
Thank you!!! God bless you guys, please know and remember that there are many of us who do support you and what you do. Do not lose heart: we have faith in you, and we have faith in a God who will lift you up and encourage you.
Well, guess what - there ARE soldiers fighting this war simply because we made a committment to our country and our fellow soldiers and maybe LOVE the Army and love our careers, but WE STILL don't have to agree with the decision to go to Iraq.
I know my job - and guess what - it doesn't matter what I think, because I'll DO MY JOB. But don't pretend that ALL the soldiers over here share MGD's optimism. Because I assure you, my young friend, they do not.
And, as suggested, here's a guy that writes very well and will give you a different perspective:
www.americanshort-timer.blogspot.com
oh, and by the way.... I LOVE the protestors. Seriously. I love them. For many reasons. But mainly, because its the way that American people can have a voice as to what's going on. And that's what democracy is.
You can believe what you want, and support the war. that's fine. But it makes me feel good to hear people that are asking WHY we are here? Cuz when I have that rare minute to consider it....I ask that question to myself.
Grunt:
Check out my post; (it's in this archive) called "the one good reason why we declared war", and the more detailed one; Declaration of war in the Sept. archive, and also my post on Why we declared war, in the April archive. I give several reasons why we are at war... please consider them.
ok yeah sure....because you've got any clue about the WHY I'm sitting here shooting at random cars just guessing if there's an insurgent in it.
i'm glad you support the policy. that's great. but don't get yourself fooled into believing that just because you've found one soldier that feels so strongly, that there aren't soldiers ON THE GROUND NOW that are anti-war.
Its just not true. and that's my only point.
Jen, when are you enlisting?
If that was a dig at Jen questioning her patriotism, Then Shut UP. We've been through this conversation enough times.
Grunt; I don't believe you read my article. I find it pointless to debate with someone who does not even do his research.
Enlist? That's another whole post in itself. But I have written on this in the past... do you read my blog, people, or are you just here to rant and rave?
Jen - I guess you don't get it. I'm a soldier here. I'll do my job. I love being a soldier. But I don't know why I'm here. And I've read plenty of articles before I got here and some after I've been here.
But if you'll please excuse me for not really thinking that some article that some sheltered girl in the middle of Nebraska is going to somehow enlighten me on what I am doing on the streets of Baghdad.
My point, again, is simply that you are naive if you truly believe that all these soldiers are like MGD. Some are, and some aren't. But don't call me or any other protestor a "traitor" because we disagree.
soldier in Iraq seems to feel different to grunt.
"yet I oppose it because I don't want any Americans (or Iraqis) dying."
I'm sorry was that whole 9-11 thing with all of those innocent people going about their everyday lives and then being KILLED by terrorists not real? Because I don't think those towers are in New York anymore. Far less Iraqis AND Americans are being killed because of our nations actions. There is no solution where nobody gets killed and if we simply let it all go saying "oh that's ok. we were going to tear down those buildings anyhow. and the people in there didn't really matter." eventually (maybe in our lifetimes maybe not) the war would be waged HERE. The terrorists do not try to do as little damage as possible. In fact they do just the opposit. The problem needs nipped in the bud (to use a cheesy but appropriate saying). Unfortunately this problem is already starting to bloom.
My husband is a marine who also feels that you can't support the troops without supporting the mission. He too has been to Iraq and back and he believes a lack of motivation and morale exhists among those fighting this war because of the way some/many Americans "support" this war. Anti-war rallies that display fake flag draped coffins is very disrespectful in the eyes of my husband and his friends and even former Marines like my cousin and her husband and my other cousin who is in the Air Force. I might not neccessarily agree with how this war was sold to us, but i do belive the world will be a better place without Saddam and his buddies. After all, weren't we the ones who gave him the weapons to harm his own people? Us giving him the means to harm others with the weapons we gave him made taking him out our responsibility. I fully support our guys and gals fighting there. We never intended for Iraq to be a terrorist haven, Zarkawi used it as an excuse to make it one so blame him. This pot of hate that these terrorists harbor for any western civilization has been bubbling for a long time now and is beggining to overflow. It's our job to turn down the heat and put a lid on it before it's too late. I am not saying this out of fear, but because I am realistic.
Tricia Poole
Very Proud Marine Wife
I can support the troops, and NOT support DUBYA if I want to. My forefathers fought and died to give me that right.
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